I'm still not sure how i ended up with team green back in the days, but i think reason had a lot to do with it. It just didn't make sense at the time to go for anything other than NVIDIA

Call me crazy now because, if in 2,3 generations team blue is still around, and producing gpu's I might take a look there.

(2,3 generations because a 5080 is about 10 to 20% faster as my current GPU the 3090TI, i expect figures will rise enough in 2 generations to really have a decent increase in power, and an 80 card is probably what i can and will pay, i paid 5080 money for my 3090TI)

I'm trying to find last gen, 4000 series and can't find anything new... cmon :(

Is it possible to buy any 2080 or 3080 Super?
From somewhat a reliable source?

Amazon maybe? i mean, your from canada doesn't LTT have a whole lively 2d hand stuff trading site going on ?

i found a couple of 100 2d hand used 3080's going for 4 to 600 euro

Ebay or?

LTT has a 2nd hand trading site?

It is probably the first time in my entire life where i tell real gamers "i do not recommend to buy the flagship GPU in almost any case unless you just got way to much coins and investment is not your thing".

I rather would invest into a nice board with a lot of functionalities, the newest X3D CPUs (although a 7800 X3D is perfectly fine, it does its job in almost any case just as good as the newer version), 32-64 GB RAM (64 even better because future proof and faster with identical speed), a lot of good storage (SSD, HDD) and even a new monitor/TV.

Almost anything could be a good investment but not a flagship GPU anymore. I would say the "upper spending" on a GPU should be 1300, but for the majority 700+ works just as well.

Just to much issues with the newest Nvidia flagship GPU, on top of a crazy pricing. If i would go that route at all... i already told how i would handle it on some older posts AND at the current time i would probably not spend more than 2000 for such a card, because just not worth it. It will probably never happen going down so much (unless a very bad design on a already bad design) so this generation is pretty much done for.

Maybe i would say something different on a new generation in which AMD may finally contribute another flagship with their UDNA architecture. No one knows what Nvidia got to offer because i am not even sure they keep making real gaming cards anymore... at least not on a "honest level". It could be possible AMD may now totally catch up to Nvidia (with some weaker AI as the only disadvantage) because Nvidia may probably slowly leave the gaming market and going to become a almost full scale AI-distributor with crazy pricing. Gaming cards are probably going to be aggressively priced and with bad designs... most likely Nvidia simply does not really care. It simply does not anymore contribute a lot to their wealth, so why even bother making a good design for gamers. I wish i would be wrong but better not to expect anything.

We will see but, perhaps... UDNA could be the first AMD PC generation which could become interesting for me, since the very old days of the Radeon HD 7970 which is already veeeeery long ago.
The HD 7970 - AMD's Legend of a Card! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSro2BH35M

For now... anything could be a better investment i feel... instead of a flagship GPU. Kinda sad but to me, it is the reality.

In am not the only one with such a opinion.
Tested: Most People Should NOT Buy a 5090 (Even if you CAN) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzjxfMQ_fis

The whole GPU show feels as if, they prepare for something new.

That said... with the LTT settings i get an average of about 95 FPS on 1080p
and about 26 on 4k

about the same you have with the medium pc and the amd card, for probably half the cost of my machine

edit:
added system specs
Ultra 285k
96GB of DDR 5 memory
3090TI

I agree on both points. 7800x3d is great and you're not getting much improvement with 9800x3d
As for flagship, not really caring for 5080. I'm trying to find 4070 Ti Super, and that's nowhere to be found.
Same with 2 gen old 3080

The only listings are just as expensive as 5080 in the thousands for secondhand..
Which defeats the purpose of saving money.

Problem with that generation's shortage is, nVidia stopped manufacturing the 4000's far too early (last November), but then the new 5000's were only released in March this year. It was done intentionally so to "clear the channels" and force people onto the newer one, but obviously that there was a whole quarter where they sold GPU's without making any left the market short. It's nothing like the older gens where you could still find stock of GTX 1000 / 1600 GPU a good +18 months down the line post successor launch.

As for the 5000's, it's probably the flakiest (in terms of driver bugs) release in recent history. There's barely a 1% uplift in IPC (efficiency) vs previous gen with most gains just being increased clocks / cores. And the 5000's are actually missing some features present on the 4000's (like working PhysX in 32-bit games). See the resulting hilarious "GTX 980 enjoys 7x higher frame-rates than the RTX 5080 videos any time you start breaking glass, firing a weapon", etc, videos.

Because of those issues, i would rather recommend a 4090 or lower, as the 4000 series was much more failure proof and with no lesser efficiency. The only issue is: Nvidia which is sometimes having their brain and morale way below the usual position was stopping its production long, long ago... so those cards go for a crazy price, even when used.

Nonetheless... this also means that AMDs RDNA4 offers are way better than what it seems on the paper because their drivers was not becoming worse, which is unfortunately not the case for Nvidia.

The 5090 is basically just a 4090 TI with driver bugs and a worse design able to create increased melt and burn issues. It is just sad.. It took me a long time to realize this fact... as it was just hilarious, almost a conspiracy theory.

Sure, almost everything Nvidia was caring for is the supreme AI performance which got limited uses for gaming because games still need many "honest" parts of the GPUs, not AI only. Not a miracle AMD now almost was catching up to Nvidia. Sure, there is still a bit lesser RT performance but it is just about 25% lesser in average, i assume.... not a big difference anymore and it depends on games... obviously on a Nvidia optimized game such as Cyberpunk 2077 AMD is still behind. On other games the RT performance is almost on par and on rasterization AMD is still with a bit lesser efficiency, perhaps as well up to 25%, but it always depends on games... so exact numbers are very hard to tell as it may vary a lot dependable on games and settings.

If Nvidia is just as lazy on their next gen, almost only focusing on the worlds best AI.., then AMD may fully catch up to Nvidia on their UDNA architecture with only AI being still weaker: Which might not cause a big difference for games, as they do not run on AI only and the AI support is way more important than just the raw hardware. Thanks to AMDs "next gen console lead".... they may get a lot of AI support from the industry.

Nope, i am not a "AMD kid"... i was and am using Nvidia for a long time and currently i still use a 3090 TI which is serving me well for several years already. The performance of this card is still good. The only weakness is its low efficiency but i can afford it... no issue for me. Yet, the most important thing on this Nvidia card is: It is a very long lasting piece without design nor driver issues... simply a very hassle free card that will get its job done.

I do not need "supreme specs" nor supreme efficiency, instead a card that i can count and trust on. Same for my car and everything else... i got no time for all the hassle-crap... i already got to less time and "every hassle free hour is a golden hour". I would even pay twice the power bill if it can save me valuable time, because time is my most valuable currency.

Besides: Nope, twice the power used is not twice the power bill for me because there is a "basic tariff" which is NOT involving the power used. So, if i use twice the power... (which is not even the case for the entire household) then i maybe pay 50% more... but never 100% more. So, people usually calculate it wrong but it depends on "how their power tariff has been set up". Usually, most people got a "basic tariff"; even if they use zero power it is still not free. Or in other words: If i use more power i get a "better" tariff. So, this issue i consider "exaggerated" and not focusing on the thing which TRULY is important in the end, a hassle free card. Perhaps i am not a stingy person because i knew for a long time already that my time (and nerves) are way higher value than any coins.

If only 4090 was available at last year's price, but any used *yes used* 4000 cards are priced exactly the same as the 5000 series.

That is just dirty... Repulsive manipulation tactic that I would only expect from slimeball scoundrels...
But NVIDIA is not such a company! I knew them since ages ago when they were a small company!
What is going on :(

Sometimes you are obliged to trust someone, no matter the outcome

Great news everyone! NVIDIA releases RTx 5050 for only $250
Saw it appear in my local store recently!
Finally a card that I can afford!